is some give from obama. >>>> unconditional surrerender rk? >> i am not sure what the exact policy is. the president has the advantage. the e factors are a on the republican side. and the democrats' ranknks have been totally unied. i think i.t. is important when the president does prevail which i think he will, ththat it be done in a way that john boehner, republican speaker of the house, leaves with it his dignity intact and with a sense that he has achieved something. if it is -- humiliation cannot be a byproduct of the final resolution. >> colby? >> it would not be a defeat for president obama in any w way. if we go over the cli, it iss because the republicans send us over the cliff because they refud to do what 55% of the american people want them to do, remove those rates s for the rich, the tax rates that went up under the bush plan. that is all he wants. he thinks we ought to pay more. the american people think ought to payore. there is a principle there. they give on that, the presisident has to do something on entitlements and put som